He interviews in the edition of the Public newspaper of today realized by Manuel Rico
The debate bothers to José Blanco deeply on his supposed ascent inside the Government. He insists that the important only thing is to speak of “the measurements to anticipate the exit of the crisis”. But his inclusion in the commission created anticrisis this week by the president Shoemaker has been interpreted from unanimous form to right and left: Target is the political man of the moment.
Is José Blanco the future, as does affirm the minister Corbacho?
José Blanco is the present and he has his overflowing aspirations.
But will not he deny that you are a value in rise inside the Government?
I simply try to do the things the best thing that I can, to apply the common sense and to look for the efficiency in the department.
Does his projection obey the holes that leave others?
Since I have assumed political responsibilities in the national ambience, I have spent for different moments. Those who earlier were insulting me now try to raise me to the altars. The important thing is to have the feet in the ground and to never lose the perspective.
Let's go to the commission anticrisis announced by Shoemaker in the Congress. What is ready to agree really on the Government?
It is necessary to introduce rationality in the economic debate and to leave behind the political row. This is the order that we have of the citizens, who wish answers to create employment as soon as possible. If we are capable of generating between all a confidence frame, and also this goes accompanied by reforms that it is necessary to attack from a wide consensus, we will be answering to this target. The citizens also demand an agreement and the PP, before this demand of the citizens, he must decide if it acts like engine or like brake of the economic recovery.
The PP has announced that it will go to the commission, although Rajoy makes sure that it will be a "wasting time" and that it is a question of an alibi of the Government.
To defend the general interest and to work together to anticipate the exit of the crisis is not a wasting time.
But really does he believe that some possibility of agreement exists with the People's Party?
We have offered to negotiate without previous conditions, because the only condition is the general interest to go out of the crisis. I am sure of that when the PP sees that we have started constructing all the groups, it is going to bury the tomahawk and is going to join to the work. And if it does not bury the tomahawk, it will have to give many explanations to the citizens.
The PP is then before a retreat species.
The PP has done of the crisis his harnessing pennant to come to The Moncloa. Most of the society want that the crisis finishes as soon as possible and the PP transmits the impression of which he wishes the crisis to continue until 2012. This every day is more clear and in the debate of the Congress it has remained clearly exposed: Rajoy has imposed conditions, some of them that would put in risk the credibility of Spain if they were applied, because he knows that with previous conditions it is very difficult to be able to match.
Does it refer to the proposals of descents of taxes?
Sure. There is a stability picture and it is fundamental to preserve the target to reduce the deficit. Also, Spain has the lowest tax system as regards his GDP of the European Union. If Spain was initiating a crazy career of adjustment of his taxes to the fall, it would be necessary to resign from the deficit target or to cut resources away to the social protection, to the idle ones, to the pensioners, to the grant holders. That would create a social break of irreparable consequences.
What seems to him that the PP has presented in the Congress another initiative that encourages the doubts about the solvency of Spain?
When the PP questions the solvency of our country it does not attack the Government, it is questioning the future and the well-being of the Spanish.
If the PP does not compromise and with the Catalan elections in doors: does he believe that CiU will accept to be painted the portrait by the Government?
The nationalistic groups are demonstrating to have more sense of the State than the PP. Those who invoke permanently the patriotism, when the hour of the truth comes, prefer his interest to the interest of Spain.
Might an agreement now with CiU be the first step to sign a Government agreement with the Catalan nationalists?
No. Right now the only thing that worries us is to rationalize the economic debate and to sign agreements as wide as possible in fundamental topics: to improve the competitiveness of the Spanish economy, to impel the renewal of our productive model, to expire with the target of fiscal consolidation, to facilitate the access to the credit of the companies. CiU has repeating the same targets in his claims. Therefore, it is a question of capturing shared targets and of rowing all in the same direction. But it is done not by electoral calculation neither to look for a major political stability.
Does not it turn out to be strange that in the commission anticrisis vice-president De is not the Vega?
The crisis is economic and the vice-president who has the responsibility in this one area is the second vice-president. Him it is not necessary to split hairs because it does not have them.
And does not he believe that Of the Vega it might be annoying for his absence?
I know that it it is not. Those who from the PP are feeding this idea have a lot of way to be covered to come at a height of Teresa.
The first week of February was, probably, the worst lived one by Shoemaker since he is a president. In the proper socialistic lines they listened to three criticism on the Government: that the coordination is improvable, that trumps the communication politics and that nobody operates like protective Shoemaker shield, so that the president takes all the blows. What part of reason is there in this three criticism?
Spain and the rest of the world are confronting the hardest economic crisis of last 80 years. It generates anxiety and worry in the society and, therefore, also in the Spanish socialist party. But the answer that one has come giving from the Government of Spain is similar to the one that has happened from other governments: to encourage the economic stimuli, to try to guarantee the biggest social protection and look for an action of joint answer to a crisis that is global. What is missing often in the analyses is a perspective of more largeness to know that the problem is not to give one more press conference or to explain better a decision, the problem is of fund. And then there can always be tones that help to understand better the things, but this is the anecdote.
The forms can increase problems of fund. For example, if a plan is sent to Brussels on the reform of the pensions and moves back at a few hours.
This is an example of how an anecdote turns into category. The important thing is that the Government had realized an exposition of budgetary stability and in the end what stayed is the anecdote. In the national political debate there are, regrettably, too many anecdotes and good few fund analyses.
Does not he believe that Shoemaker should have apologized to the Spanish for denying for the long time the crisis?
After an economic growth as that we had between 2004 and 2008, I understand that it is difficult to assimilate the entry in such a deep crisis and in a little time. When they began the first symptoms, it was possible to think that they were light. We were not hoping that the wind was going to turn into a hurricane. In the end, the financial crash aggravated the crisis and dragged to the whole international economy. Shoemaker has already said that in the first moment he did not recognize the intensity of the crisis, but the fact is that nobody in the world had foreseen an impact as that we had.
And does not he believe that there has drawn into the citizenship the message from which the Government conceals the truth, as does insist the PP?
It is true that that has happened this way and that it has spoiled the credibility of our performances. But the truth will have to outcrop some day. The singularity of the crisis in Spain is motivated by a speculative model in the real estate sector that had his impulse, his climax and his maximum development when it was governing the PP. If of the Spanish economy there was deducted the behavior of the real estate sector, now we would be moving in parameters identical to those of the European Union.
Is the Government ready to extend the contract of 33 days of indemnification to the men of between 30 and 45 years?
The Government has raised a few reflections on the reform of the labor market and does not want to determine, being defined on a type of contract, what has to be the result of the work between the management one and the trade unions.
Pero Zapatero makes sure that in Spain the dismissal will not get cheaper. Is not to extend the contract with 33 days of indemnification perhaps to low the price of the dismissal?
I am not going to speculate on what it can happen. We are going to struggle to reach an agreement, which in itself would be a revitalizing element for the employment creation.
But does it support the Government that will not low the price of the dismissal?
The reforms that Spain needs are not those of lowing the price of the dismissal or flexibilizar the conditions of the same one. On the contrary, we need to bet for the stability in the employment.
Does it defend to extend to 67 years the retirement age?
I defend to improve our pensions system, so that 3,2 million persons who receive minimal pensions see improved his protection. To improve our pensions and to guarantee them in the future, some things we will have to do. We will have to tackle the real enlargement of the retirement age, since the average now is in 63 years, not in 65. And we will have to finish with the early retirement abuse. I have taken a decision myself so that the air-traffic controlers could not go away to his house at the age of 52 receiving entirely his salary with a remunerative special license. Finally, we will have to look for formulae that allow us to guarantee the solvency and improve our public pensions system.
It has indicated several aspects that undoubtedly would improve the solvency of the system of pensions, but it has not clarified if it defends to postpone at the age of 67 the retirement age.
I have put an example so that it was understood well: now the legal retirement age is in 65 years and the real age is located in 63. If the retirement age is extended, probably what we achieve is to bring the real age over to the legal one of this moment.
Is he a supporter of extending the calculation period to calculate the amount of the pensions?
No, I do not believe that the calculation period should be extended.
Does it keep on defending that it is necessary to raise the taxes to the rich ones?
They have already been raised.
They have been raised to the whole world, across the increase of the VAT.
We have raised the taxation of the Sicav and have increased imposed the soccer players, for example, in addition to doing a general exposition as regards the VAT in line with the average of the countries of the European Union. Some of them want to be a country of the first in public services and in infrastructures and have at the same time the taxes of a Latin-American country. That cannot be. The services cost money and it is necessary to pay them.
He foresees new taxes increases for this year.
No. It would not be reasonable.
Say to me what things the Government has harmed in the combat against the crisis.
Probably we would have to realize earlier an agreement exposition, although it is true that first we try to stop the blow with stimulus measurements as the Plan And and now it is a question of tackling the structural reforms. And perhaps the citizenship did not see us with enough determination at the time of explaining the politics that we design to fight the crisis.
Let's speak about the party. Counsellor Ernest Maragall claims a proper group of the PSC in Madrid. Would be the Spanish socialist party ready to accept it?
This is a musical appellant. We take the biggest respect as the decisions that the PSC adopts in the exercise of his autonomy, but I believe that the current form of cooperation is positive for both.
Or that is the best formula.
It is positive for both.
In case it was giving the sum: do you defend a Tripartite one 3.0 or does he believe that it is an appliance that provokes fatigue?
I what desire is that Montilla keeps on being the president of the Generalitat. And if it can be with more force of the PSC, and governing without depending on anybody, much better.
But it will admit that for the Spanish socialist party an agreement might be better between PSC and CiU in Catalunya.
The best stage for the Spanish socialist party is that it governs Montilla alone.
And would the second best stage be an agreement PSC-CiU, for the effects of stability that it might have for the state politics?
The citizens will decide with his vote the Government of Catalunya, not that of Spain. And let's not prune trucar the will to form government in Catalunya thinking in Madrid. We take appreciation and respect as CiU, but they are the citizens those who speak in the urns.
You defend that Shoemaker is the principal assets of the Spanish socialist party. To what does the subsidence of his credibility attribute in the surveys?
To a situation of anxiety that exists in the set of the country and of suspicion towards the political class. The most significant thing in the last CIS was that they were lowering both Spanish socialist party and PP. There is a suspicion towards the politics on the part of the citizens and that explains what happens.
Is this Shoemaker's slope irreversible?
The other way round. Shoemaker is the best assets of the Spanish socialist party.
How many communities will the Spanish socialist party lose in 2011?
I hope that it should gain someone.
And that does not lose any?
Exactly.
And which believes that it can win?
I am not going to give tracks to the adversary.
Are not the declarations of José Maria Barreda a symptom of be saved the one who could?
Barreda has tinted his declarations and the whole Socialistic Party has been grateful for it.
Is Andalusia the biggest problem for the Spanish socialist party in this moment in view of the last surveys?
I do not have any doubt about Andalusia. Griñán represents a new time to answer to the new challenges, and face it has that thing about always, to Javier Arenas.
Or that the Andalusian surveys are erroneous.
I handle surveys of Andalusia that are very positive. But believe me, I am an unbelieving one of the surveys that are done out of the electoral time. Two years are missing for the Andalusian elections.
You who has pitoniso reputation: does he believe that Tomás Gómez will be the socialistic cartel in Madrid?
The partners are going to decide that after the summer, that he is when it touches.
When Gómez affirms that the Socialists of Madrid are not “the rear courtyard of Ferraz”: are you considered aforesaid?
No, certainly I am not considered aforesaid.
But he will not say to me that his relation with Gómez is excellent.
The relation is the same that I support with all the General Secretaries of the party. I wish him all the success in his work, wish it to have all the recognition of the society of Madrid and I wish it to be right in the formulation of the alternative. It takes three years being employed at her and has a made trip. And when his moment comes, the partners will have to evaluate.
Would the minister Rubalcaba be a good candidate for the Town hall of Madrid?
I do not see it.
Will the public mergers dependent on Promotion provoke dismissals?
In no case. They are going to provoke decrease of managing charges, we are going to add synergies and are going to look for the efficiency.
Or that, if there are dismissals, will be of managing charges.
Dismissals not. The managing charges are of free designation and, likewise they are designated, they can be replaced.
If the controlers go charging of illegal form from 1999: why has the socialistic Government been late five years in braking this situation?
I answer of my decisions. There was an information repeated from the General Intervention of the State, and what we have decided now was answered by him to the need that Air Navigation was sustainable, to look for a major productivity and to help to invigorate a sector that I fixed like the tourism with the descent of the valuations of the airports.
But it seems clear that, with these reports about which he speaks, it might have acted earlier.
I insist: it was a complicated decision. The important thing is that we have tackled a problem and now it is a question of solving it definitely by means of the dialogue.
What infrastructures will debts take as the Plan of Austerity?
I will try to do more with less resources. But, in any case, I am going to try to preserve everything relative to the railway transport in his triple slope: high speed, outskirts and goods.
Does it seem reasonable to you that Waiter could be isolated from the Hearing for trying to investigate crimes of the Franco period?
Honestly, it does not seem reasonable to me. But it is the Justice who has to take his decision and we will respect it.
What does he think about Aznar's gesture in the University of Oviedo?
This gesture is the best summary of a way of understanding and of doing politics.